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February 5, 2009 by Jari

Why don’t we lay this stuff to rest now, mmkay?

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on February 9, 2009 at 3:03 pm KGS

Just because a story has good propaganda value does not necessarily preclude its being false. There are NUMBER of factual stories of Jihadis using innocents to murder the enemy, why wouldn’t rape be used, since it’s used in the Arab areas of the disputed territories in the war against Israel?
on February 9, 2009 at 3:05 pm Jari

“[...] why wouldn’t rape be used, since it’s used in the Arab areas of the disputed territories in the war against Israel?”

Sources, please.
on February 9, 2009 at 7:11 pm KGS

1.) http://www.freep.com/article/20090204/NEWS07/90204033

Female suicide bombers are uncommon, but not unknown, outside Iraq.

Among Palestinians, several woman have carried out suicide bombings for militant groups including Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

There also have been cases of women in the West Bank attacking Israeli soldiers so they can be imprisoned after being accused of breaking traditional rules on sexual conduct. In the Palestinian territories, relatives can seek harsh punishments, including death, on women seen as dishonoring the family.

2. ) http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/06/07/the_worst_exploitation/

Why would a young mother commit such a vicious act of violence? Deprived economic circumstances are frequently cited as an explanation, but statistics and profiles of suicide bombers refute any direct link between terror and poverty. For example, suicide bombings are rare in other poor societies, and Al-Reyashi — like the hijackers on 9/11 and countless others — came from the middle class. Thus, we must look deeper for an explanation. According to numerous reports, Al-Reyashi had committed adultery and was given the terrible choice to die at the hands of her family or attain an “honorable” death by becoming a suicide bomber. Her lover, a member of Hamas, gave her the explosives and instructions for conducting the deadly mission, and her husband drove her to the Erez crossing to commit the heinous act. [...]

Terror organizations frequently recruit women with problematic social statuses, such as suspected adulteresses and rape victims. In fact, one of the most despicable methods used by Yasser Arafat’s own terror organization, the Fatah, is to seduce young women or arrange their rapes and subsequently pressure them to rehabilitate their social status by becoming “martyrs.” Moreover, just as terror groups use mosques to incite anger and hate in Palestinian men, they exploit women’s discontent with their inferior status by working actively to portray suicide bombings as a way to achieve equality.

For example, Islamic Jihad recently announced a strategic shift to a more “liberal” attitude toward women by accepting them as suicide bombers and has distributed promotional materials with statements like, “Our women are no longer the type of women who cry or weep. We have martyrdom women now.” Underlying all of this is the disturbing notion that in life women are only women, but can rise to the status of “martyrs” in their deaths. The use of emotional blackmail, coercion, and physical force to compel young women to kill both themselves and innocent civilians is an appalling violation of the most basic rights of freedom, equality, and life itself.

[Rape outside the context of suicide/homicide terrorism but used as a means by the Muslim majority to control Christian women and their families.]

3,) http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=3&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=624&PID=0&IID=2406&TTL=Palestinian_Crimes_against_Christian_Arabs_and_Their_Manipulation_against_Israel

To this day, Muslim attitudes toward Christians and Jews are influenced by the concepts and prejudices that dhimmitude has spawned in Islamic society. In Iraq, for example, the ancestral community of Chaldean Christians has recently become a target of vandalism, property theft, infringement of privacy, harassment, arbitrary and prolonged detention, kidnapping, rape, beatings, car bombings, torture, and even murder. [...]

“In Egypt, in October 2006, a Christian teenager escaped her Muslim kidnappers hours after they had drugged her on a public bus. They threatened to rape her and convert her to Islam if her family didn’t leave their Nile Delta city of El-Mahala el-Kobra. In a similar story, a fifteen-year-old escaped from being held captive in Cairo’s southern suburb of Helwan while her captors were away breaking their Ramadan fast.
on February 9, 2009 at 7:36 pm Jari

I would have preferred non-biased sources, but thanks.
on February 9, 2009 at 8:15 pm KGS

So you discount it all. I knew that would be your response.

What exactly has the JCPA done that disqualifies in your opinion that well known institution? Be very very specific in your answer.
on February 9, 2009 at 9:00 pm Jari

I’m not disqualifying anything. I’m merely pointing out the obvious fact that your sources, apart from the wire service story, are not exactly neutral in this conflict. I’m sure you’d feel just as cheated if I started quoting Palestinian officials and think tanks and claiming they’re a beacon of objectivity.

Also note this in the AP story:

“It also was not possible independently to verify the claim that insurgents sent out people to rape women who could then be recruited as bombers in the volatile Diyala province northeast of Baghdad.”

I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m just saying we should maybe take a holiday from being so damn gullible.
on February 9, 2009 at 10:08 pm KGS

Once again, what exactly has the JCPA done to deserve the label of being untrustworthy? An exact reference to a specific detail on why their material ís not more trustworthy than a Palestinian source, would be very much appreciated. If you can that is.
on February 9, 2009 at 10:28 pm Jari

Oh, give it a rest already.

Untrustworthy? I said nothing of the sort. “Not more trustworthy than a Palestinian source”? What rubbish is this, Kenneth? Again, I said nothing of the sort. And let’s not have any of that “yes, but you’re *subconsciously* anti-Semite” looniness, please. I simply pointed out that your sources are not neutral in this conflict. In other words, they have their own axe to grind. Just like the other side would.

I’m not going to argue the point any further, because then we’d be back in flat-earth territory, and we don’t want that, now do we?
on February 10, 2009 at 10:51 am KGS

How ridiculous. You ask for sources only to diss the sources for being biased, refusing to even discuss anything further what was mentioned in the report of the JCPA.

That’s the mark of someone viewing a source as being untrustworthy, in that it’s not even worth the time to discuss its material.

It’s a clever, but disingenuous way to manipulate the discourse, declare the other person’s sources verbotten but never offering any definfitive reason or concrete example as to why.

According to your logic, all reports & analysis from Finnish think tanks should suffer the same fate by the international media concerning any issue effecting Finnish concerns.

Nonsense.

It’s the veracity of the people handling the facts that dictate the validity of a think tank. You fail to provide any proof at all that the JCPA’s product is “tainted”, which makes your reasoning….biased, until proven otherwise.
on February 10, 2009 at 11:07 am Jari

Kenneth:

When I asked you, quite politely I thought, to provide some sources for your claim that rape is “used in the Arab areas of the disputed territories in the war against Israel”, I expected you to at least offer a couple of links to first-person accounts, not opinion pieces or analysis by an organisation that doesn’t even consider itself neutral.

Understand that I have nothing whatsoever against your sources. They’re just not something I would consider as appropriate in this context. (Apart from the AP story, of course.)

I’m not saying you’re wrong, or that your sources are wrong. I was sincerely interested to hear where you got your information from. I would’ve been easily convinced had you given me a little more to work with.

We don’t really have a disagreement here. Just link to a news story or oral testimony or other account about how rape is used in the way you described, and we’re done. If you fail to see the difference between fact and opinion, we should call it a day.
on February 10, 2009 at 3:55 pm KGS

Therein lies the rub Jari.

The only ones interested in the phenomenon are the different Israeli governmental branches who have interviewed the +80 Palestinian females -who failed to detonate for one reason or another- with the intention to find out what makes them tick in order to prepare against it. Since they are involved in the fight, they are subsequently deemed off limits as a credible source.

I have yet to hear of a female “would be suicide bomber” being released, and then living in the same area in which she was recruited, and telling freely of her experiences to the international media about her own manipulation and recruitment by either Tanzim, al-Aqsa, Islamic JIhad and Hamas terrorist operatives.

You know as well as I do the dilemma of reporting on a conflict in which one side is a open democracy ruled by law, and the other is not. The climate of fear and intimidation dictates the successes a journalist may have in finding an anonymous source in the WB and Gaza, and then milking out whatever information possible.

It’s also one of the main reasons why the discrimination and intimidation of the Palestinian Christian minority within the disputed terrirtories by the majority Muslim population, is a relatively unkown phenomenon.

p.s. the very same mentality that drives the terrorists to use mentally retarded people to blow themselves up, drives these degenerates to use woman in any way they can.
on February 10, 2009 at 4:01 pm Jari

“The only ones interested in the phenomenon are the different Israeli governmental branches…”

Thankfully, not the only ones. I highly recommend Farhad Khosrokhavar’s book Suicide Bombers: Allah’s New Martyrs. Check it out, and don’t hold the author’s surname against him.

“p.s. the very same mentality that drives the terrorists to use mentally retarded people to blow themselves up, drives these degenerates to use woman in any way they can.”

Now now, Kenneth. Let us not engage in trying to slip in stuff that has been quite convincingly disproved: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/world/middleeast/21iraq.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
on February 11, 2009 at 2:18 pm KGS

The NYT’s report is not an entirely thorough, as well as the headline not being particulary accurate. But putting that aside, what is clear though, that one of the psychriatric councelors in fact believed that one of the women had downs syndrome, as well as both undergoing sessions for depression and/or schizophrenia. (Mental problems)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/world/middleeast/21iraq.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

“Admiral Smith said he did not know whether either woman had a criminal record or had ever tried to commit suicide before the bombings. He said investigators reviewed their psychiatric files — but not their medical files — and that those files “did not reveal Down syndrome.” One psychiatric counselor said he believed that one woman had Down syndrome, Admiral Smith said.

“We know that we got their complete records, their case files, and we know they had in-patient treatment as recently as the last month or two,” Admiral Smith said. He said they had been treated for “typical kinds of psychiatric problems — depression, schizophrenia.”

“That’s about as far as I can go on their mental capacity,” he said. “I don’t know precisely how they were feeling on the day that they did what they did. We don’t know that.”

ALSO:

A 16 yr. old Palestinian boy was caught with a suicide belt on, who clealy did not fully understand everything involved with it. The mentally deficiant boy was preyed upon by Palestinian terrorists.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/49538/israelis_stop_teen_wearing_bomb_vest/

“NABLUS, West Bank – A Palestinian teenager approached a crowded West Bank checkpoint wearing a suicide bomb vest Wednesday in what Israel said was a failed attempt to kill soldiers there.

In a tense scene captured in exclusive Associated Press Television News footage, soldiers jumped behind concrete barricades and sent a yellow robot to hand scissors to the 16-year-old boy so he could cut off the vest. They then ordered him to strip to his underwear.

Experts later detonated the bomb, and there was no immediate claim of responsibility for the incident.

The teenager’s family in Nablus identified him as Hussam Abdo, and his brother, Hosni, said “he has the intelligence of a 12-year-old.”
on February 11, 2009 at 2:54 pm Jari

Thanks. Your sourcing is definitely improving… :)

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